I've been seeing new members here in the past recent months(especially the last 3)asking information on parlors and Indys with 1 post and no reviews, which involves no credibility to their name. Just saw 1 in Maryland(which some areas have recently been a hot spot for LE). Let them figure it by themself. Don't mean to "single out" new members. Be safe out there fellow members.
This message is edited by apache on Mar 15th 2010 13:48 for reason: correction
I have noticed that as well. Also a few months back i was getting pm's from a couple of new members asking me "how things worked" I just ignored them. Did anyone else get those private messages in their inbox?
Yes, PMs all the time. I believe it is just natural for them to ask those who are active on the site, as they will most likely find someone who is online when they ask.
That happens on all sites, I'm new here as a VIP and certainly wouldn't expect a question to be answered, however I won't ask for anything until my credability is established. The strange thing is the answers to most questions are already posted, you just have to read whats available.
For a new member Darter, well said... There is a wealth of info there from all us mongers... And welcome to the site as a VIP member, you will learn more info on this topic in spades... I think you will find that we are very open, share our experiences -- both good and bad -- and hopefully all here learn something to further the hobby... Welcome aboard!
I would like to know how many posts it takes to have credibility.
Just because someone is new or does not post has nothing to do with credibility. there are people on the board with many posts that I would say have no credibility from reading these post.
Myself I like to read the post but I use this site for places not to go for this reason I have on need to post.
Should I go to one of the AMP I guess there is no need to post because I have no credibility due to post count.
When I read something I do not understand I have PM the poster some have answered some not.
In parting remember that you too had low post counts at 1 time.
You need to have reviews with valid information that proves accurate and contribute by posting at least breifly helping someone else or answering their questions. This is how you get credibility.
There is enough info on this site already, for anyone with ZERO posts and reviews to read that will point him at a spa and lead him to an experience that he can then review. Many times.
Not having a measured contribution ABSOLUTELY does have everything to do with credibility. You say in your opinion there are people this board with many posts that you feel have no credibility?? Coming from someone who has only 1 post and zero reviews, that does not mean anything to anyone.
If you are using this site for information and NOT contributing any as you describe in your post, this is what we are talking about ZERO credibility.
Everyone started with zero reviews and posts. BUT the difference is MOST OF US offered reviews and what little help we could to others before we started asking for others to share their hard earned intel/info.
Experienced hobbiests, have a duty to protect the hobby, as much as we can. Making sure we share information with GOOD people, not those who may be selfish, egomaniacs, rude, or mistreat girls, or are LE. This hobby is full of jerks, and more and more become active every day because of sites that share information and no one caring what is done by the people who use it.
We have to filter the information. It can not ever be a 100% system, bad people will get information, LE will get information, but we have to make the effor to minimize those cases.
I guess I would ask you would you walk in your 1st day on the job, and expect to be looked upon by your boss the same as a senior employee with years of experience? Do you expect your boss would simply disregard that long time employees years of experience and favor the new person? That person has paid their dues, worked late, took the short end of the stick on many projects, done countless things to earn his position and the respect of his boss and peers. And would you think that new person who can'teven find the bathroom should be treated exactly the same way? That is not realistic.
Many sayings come to mind.
You reap what you sow.
You get out of it what you put into it.
Seniority has privildge.
Give a man a fish he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish he will eat for his lifetime.
INOUT, I see that you have been a VIP since April of 2009, but you have only 1 post(which is this one). No one is accusing you of being "outside of the circle", but one needs to contribute, to gain ones trust. Sure one can be LE and still give false information(informant), but to gain ones trust happens by contributing in a group of friends, clubs, or even gangs. Posting a Topic, posting to a Topic, writing a review, or just commenting a review is contributing. Since you're a VIP, you can do all these. I only have 3 reviews but with 200 posts, but i contribute to other sites(2 other) with about the same amount of posts, comments, and reviews. I have not renewed my VIP as i'm budgeting my expenses, but will renew sometime in April. Speaking of fish, it's friday again and ending the the 4th week of Lent. I gave up AMP's for the period and i think i'm going to complete it without failing(for the 1st time) . Can't wait till the weekend of April 17(it'll be 9 weeks since my last encounter and will post a REVIEW on this one) after i see the Eagles in concert on April 16th at the Hollywood Bowl .
This message is edited by apache on Mar 19th 2010 10:49 for reason: mispelling
Rock well written as always.
But I must disagree on some points.
1. I still say post count and reviews do not build credibility.
If I was of a mind to I could write reviews from reading other posts (and I believe other have done this) and the same with posts. Now this would build credibility but all be a lie.
2. As for people I think have no credibility. They have good number of posts and some reviews most of them are bad. I think they are just trying to start problems. Now I for 1 would put more stock in someone first review then theirs.
3. Posting reviews with valid information that proves accurate. The only way to find out if it's accurate would be to go there. ( waiting to see if someone jumps you about is a catch 22 because they could be wrong.)
Rock we will most likely disagree on this for ever. It is a gauge you use and believe in I don't. It does not mean either of us is right or wrong.
Also "Myself I like to read the post but I use this site for places not to go for this reason I have on need to post." I have no need to post because I have nothing to post. I go to legit places but have been thinking of trying a AMP.
apache
I never thought you were accusing me of anything. I just disagree with the hole post count thing. nvrider may have said it best.
1. Last thing Rock. My last two jobs they called me to come work for them. Yes I do expect respect when i walk in. I made my bones years ago.
inout: If you have never been to a AMP, how do you know if some of the reviews are "bad". There are many types of reviewers, some write to show us what great lovers they are. others write to tell us how they are in control of these "whores" and can do anything they want with these Pieces of meat, since they pay their money for them, and then there are those of us (I like to count myself as one of them) that write to tell our fellow hobbiest if the lady is good, bad, trys to upsell us, or is she worth the money we are paying her. I do not like to tell very much about what goes on in that MP room. If I am lucky enough to get some lady that likes and or trusts me, why should I tell that she gave me an uncovered B/J, by doing that, every guy that goes in to see her will want and expect that from her. I have found out that these ladies, and I call them ladies, are for the most part nice people doing a job that many of them do not really like, except for the money, they don't speak much English, and beside their looks have very little going for them in a strange country, but that is their choice. I had a AMP girl friend for about 2 years, and she would try to explain to me that they were only customers, only business, I as a western guy could never understand this, but I cared very much for her. It drove me crazy. But they are just people doing a difficult job, and all they really are trying to do is make us hobbiest "happy", nothing more or nothing less. Please enjoy these ladies and treat them well, I would not like to see a world without them. They can be more honest than many if not most of the women we may meet in our everyday life.
Absolutely, someone reads a review and then visits a place and determine it is accurate, or not. Now that person shares his experience, and he knows if the reviewer was credibile, and he shares that too. But since that is opinion, others go and visit and they chime in, their experience matches the other reviewers, and those continue to add or subtract from credibility. I said its not a fool proof system but it is what we have to work with. You may be a legit good guy we just have what you offer on this forum to form our opinion.
It is not personal, we do not know each other, probably we will never meet, so no one should get upset by a post or comment.
I don't think someones credibility is based on numbers, I think you read me wrong, If someone PMs me for intel, I look at their posts and reviews, if they have none, I will use the site to answer their question(doing a search and proving links), personal intel is reserved for those who have shared.
If they have PM'd me and have say a couple reviews, I read them, can I get a sense they are legit? Do my experiences match theirs? Have others commented on the validity of the review? These are all factors in the type of answer they will receive.
It is not just looking at the number and firing off the reply.
I too was recruited heavily for my current position, however even as such, my ego did NOT make me think when I walked in that door I was king of the hill because I received a nice fat salary and a bonus, I still respect that those there before me have experience I can benifit from and I do not expect those long time loyal employees to be ignored because the "new guy" has a different idea.
This message is edited by TheROCK 4 times on Mar 20th 2010 04:34 for reason: because I can
Asian mp lover sorry for not finishing the sentence bad as in thumbs down.
As for the girls being in a bad spot i never new it was as bad as it is till i started reading thing here.
I understand how the reviews help the you when you visit.
but as you said you many not tell all in a review but lets say the next guy does tell all someone will read them see the difference and look at their count low man now full of it.
yet his review was good so something that he posts later may be dismissed when it was very credibility. can i give you a better way no wish i could. but i would think that those that go to amp's would be able to tell if something is not right in a review with out post counts.
Rock i have never learned how to read something and tell if its legit or just a well written lie.
as i said before i could write a review that has credibility without being there or for that matter a bad review after having a good time.
i understand why something are done here with le maybe look on.
now maybe its just me but when i read a post and if it fall in line with others i have read not just and not just for that girl or amp but in general then i think ok. seldom do i even look at the poster name or counts.
inout, I am not saying that you just read it and accept it as fact. I am saying you read it, and balance it against what you know already from visiting OR what others have writen. You read it and you visit and you compare their review to your own experience. NOW you can form an opinion about the person's credibility.
Sometimes it is quite easy to spot a liar. If there are 5 reviews on a spa, 4 bad and one guy writes a great review, and has no other previous reviews, it is easy to spot a shill. There are a number of them writing reviews on this board, they have no credibility. They have been called out and often have just faded away.
You are hung up on a NUMBER. No one said post X number to get credibility. What we are saying is POST SOMETHING OF VALUE or SUBMIT REVIEWS that can be used by others and THEN you will have credibility.
You keep saying you could write a review without going some place, suggesting a dishonest nature, you seem to want everything the easy way, answers without contribution and when you are told you need to contribute, you say you could "fake it". This arguement you are making is NOT gaining you credibility.
You do not need to look at POST count when reading a review, what we look at review and post count for is when people post "I want information" and they have done ABSOLUTELY nothing to contribute to the site.
At some point you need to search for the info, then make your trips out, post your reviews, make your contribution, start helping others, and before you know it, you have actually done something positive on the site.
Rock
"inout, I am not saying that you just read it and accept it as fact. I am saying you read it, and balance it against what you know already from visiting OR what others have writen. You read it and you visit and you compare their review to your own experience. NOW you can form an opinion about the person's credibility."
i agree all but the last line it does give credibility post imho not the poster.
"You keep saying you could write a review without going some place, suggesting a dishonest nature, you seem to want everything the easy way, answers without contribution and when you are told you need to contribute, you say you could "fake it". This arguement you are making is NOT gaining you credibility."
if to say someone even myself could fake it is suggesting a dishonest nature.
then i guess here a statement of fact has no credibility.
"You are hung up on a NUMBER. No one said post X number to get credibility. What we are saying is POST SOMETHING OF VALUE or SUBMIT REVIEWS that can be used by others and THEN you will have credibility." i have no hung up on a number as i said from the start. i only want to know what the number is you must have one because a lot of what you say is in plural just so this statement credibility i looked it up in Webster's plural the form of a word designating more than one.
At some point are you going to contribute? Or just continue to try and convince us that we should share info with you without you contributing? If it is the latter, it is not going to happen.
Long time mongers/hobbiests have trust issues, like it or not, we do it this way. You can debate it and incorrectly quote the previous points all you want, it won't change my opinion and many others here that you have to give something before getting something. Each person here will measure what you give differently, so there is no magic number.
You want to continue this thread as a debate go ahead, it is just wasting space, as it will not change my mind as to how to handle newbie questions about the hobby. You now have 4 posts here and none of them offer anything of value to the site, just you whining that we should give you all the info you ask for without contributing. Your post count is going up but not your credibility.
I hope the next time I see your name on the site here, that it is attached to a review.
Have fun, stay safe and good luck in your hobbying.
This message is edited by TheROCK on Mar 22nd 2010 03:55 for reason: typo
I may at sometime contribute something else (but opinions different then yours is not contributing so it will be hard to do.)
Trust issues yours not mine.
Very hard to miss quote when you copy and paste.
If I had a problem with someone not answering a question (like you did)I would pm them as to why. You never got a pm why so I must not have a problem with it.
As for the you tell me yours then i will tell you mine idea i gave up in grade school.
your opinion on my credibility i could care less.
I am done with the thread.
but i beleive your ego will have to post again.
. Can't wait till the weekend of April 17(it'll be 9 weeks since my last encounter and will post a REVIEW on this one) after i see the Eagles in concert on April 16th at the Hollywood Bowl 
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